Myles Lyne (c. 1791–1872; Ardgroom farmer; second husband of Margaret Shea; Ellen Lyne Murphy's stepfather, named as her father in 1881)
Also known as: Myles (Mark) Lyne
family confidence: 95 — certain (corroborated)Lyne (paternal in-law via Ellen Lyne Murphy)
Second husband of Margaret Shea and stepfather of Ellen (Lyne) Murphy, so James's step-grandfather. - **1865**: Myles Lyne, "full age", widower, farmer, son of Jeremiah Lyne (deceased), married Margaret Shea alias Sullivan, widow, on 9 June 1865 at the chapel of Eyeries (civil marriage return). - **1872**: Myles Lyne died at Ardgroom on 10 May 1872, married, a farmer, aged 81, of old age; informant Ellen Lyne, "present at death" (civil death return No. 400). - **1881**: named as father of the bride, "Myles Lyne, Farmer", on the marriage return of Ellen Lyne and Patrick Murphy. **One man: user decision 2026-10-03 ("yes same myles").** The archive had held the man who died in 1872 as a separate "Myles Lyne Sr.", father of a "Myles Jr." who married in 1865. Why they are taken as one: - Terese Murphy (20 Sept 1971) says her grandmother's second husband was "a man in his sixties, a prosperous land-owner and widower, who had divided his farm among his sons", and "I believe he died in his seventies before my mother's teens". In 1967 she wrote that he "died before our Mother was a young adult". A death in 1872, when Ellen was a child of about 8 to 13, fits. - The 1872 return has him married, a farmer, at Ardgroom. - The 1865 return names the groom's father as Jeremiah Lyne, so nothing supports a Myles father and a Myles son. - The family tree has one Myles (Mark) Lyne, born about 1791, died 10 May 1872, husband of Margaret Shea, with Ellen as his stepchild. Against: the death return's age of 81 is about ten years more than Terese's "sixties" in 1865; and the 1881 marriage return does not mark him "(dead)", though another entry on the same page marks a dead father. Claude's own estimate that the two records are one man: about 75. **Stepfather, not father, of Ellen: decision 2026-10-03** (confidence 95 that she was born before he married her mother; sources and reasons on Ellen's record). The 1839 Tralee land-registry freeholder Myles Lyne had earlier been folded into the 1872 record as probably the same man; that link stays at 25 on the property record.
Facts
Each fact shows how sure the archive is of it (0–100) and the sources it rests on.
- Birth:
- ~1791, Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel) 501872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork; 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers; 2026-05-27 — Luke Murphy family tree (Ancestry.com)The death return's 81 (born about 1790-91) against Terese's 'a man in his sixties' in 1865 and 'died in his seventies' (born about 1792-1805). No source gives his birthplace; the tree's 'Cahersiveen, Kerry' is uncited (its citations are death indexes).
- Death:
- 1872-05-10, Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel) 951872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork; 2026-05-27 — Luke Murphy family tree (Ancestry.com); 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers; 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papersThe civil death return ('Tenth May 1872', 'Argroom'), the tree (death index). That the 1872 decedent is the man who married Margaret in 1865 is Luke's decision ('yes same myles'); analyst 80 (decisions log 75; Terese's 'died in his seventies before my mother's teens' fits).
- Residence:
- Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel)
| Date | Fact | Conf. | Sources |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1839-06-19 | description · A 'Myles Lyne' in the Tralee registry of freeholders (Kerry Evening Post, 19 June 1839) (Tralee, Co. Kerry) The row has not been read; same name in Kerry, age would fit (about 48). | 25 | 1839-06-19 — Kerry Evening Post — newspaper court / land registry notices |
| 1865-06-09 | marriage · Myles Lyne, 'Full' age, 'Widower', 'Farmer', of '[Letterfineen?]', father 'Jeremiah [Lyne?]', Farmer, married Margaret Shea alias Sullivan, widow, 9 June 1865, at the RC chapel of '[Eyries?]', Michael O'Reilly, P.P.; witnesses Jeremiah McCarthy and Ellen O'Reilly; he signed his name (Eyeries (village + parish + RC Chapel)) Transcribed 4 Oct 2026: residence read at 45 (not 'Lehinverin'); no 'deceased' against the father (85). | 95 | 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown |
| 1872-05-10 | event · Died 'Tenth May 1872', 'Argroom', 'Married', '81 years', 'Farmer', 'Old Age / No. Med. Att.'; informant 'Ellen Lyne, Present at Death, Argroom' (no mark recorded); registered 17 May 1872 by C. Lewis (Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel)) The return itself is clear (95); 80 is the identity of the decedent with the 1865 groom. | 80 | 1872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork |
| 1881-02-13 | description · Named as the bride's father, 'Myles Lyne, Farmer', on Ellen's marriage return (13 Feb 1881), not marked dead though another entry on the page marks a dead father; the parish register entry (reported) also names 'Myles Lyne' (Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel)) Two records of the marriage; the omission of 'dead' is a small point against the 1872 merge. | 95 | 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown; 2026-09-04 — Email correspondence between Luke Murphy and the Eyeries parish office, Diocese of Kerry, 14 Aug to 4 Sept 2026 |
| — | description · Terese: 'a man in his sixties, a prosperous land-owner and widower, who had divided his farm among his sons' and 'died in his seventies before my mother's teens' (1971); 'aging Myles Lyne. All members of his family disowned him when he married our Grandmother' and 'belonged to the "family of Lynes" who produced many doctors for S. Ireland' (1967); 'He left them with a comfortable home ... a lower and upper floor with a stream nearby' (1971) Family account, independent of the civil records. | 75 | 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers; 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers |
| — | burial · 'My grandfather Lynne is, no doubt, buried there' (the cemetery by Sacred Heart church, Castletown; Terese 1971); the 1967 chart adds 'Castletown / Sacred Heart Church' beside his name (Castletownbere, County Cork) Terese's supposition, not a record. | 25 | 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers; 1967 — Murphy family papers |
| — | name · 'Myles (Mark) Lyne' (tree); 'Myles Lyne' (1865, 1872, 1881) As written. | 95 | 2026-05-27 — Luke Murphy family tree (Ancestry.com); 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown; 1872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork; 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown |
Relationships
Family (blood)
- child of Jeremiah Lyne (father of Myles Lyne; on James's step-line)90inferredThe groom's father's name on a civil return; the first name is clear and the surname is normally the groom's. · 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown
Marriage
- stepfather of Ellen (Lyne) Murphy (b. Ardgroom; m. Patrick Murphy 1881; d. Butte 1935)95Luke's decision of 3 Oct 2026: 95 that Ellen was born before he married her mother. Analyst: that point 95; that he was not her natural father 70 (a birth to Myles before the marriage would fit Terese, the 1881 return and the Annals). · 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown; 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown; 1900-06-01 — US Federal Census 1900; 1910-04-15 — US Federal Census 1910 (Thirteenth Census); 1935-08-24 — The Montana Standard, p.5; 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers; 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers
- married to Margaret (Shea) Sullivan Lyne (JJM's maternal grandmother)100Civil return; the Annals; Terese; the tree. · 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown; undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume II; 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers; 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers; 2026-05-27 — Luke Murphy family tree (Ancestry.com)
Other documented tie
- listed as informant at death of this person by Ellen Lyne (informant at Myles Lyne's death, Ardgroom 1872)95inferredThe return; 95 rather than 100 because the decedent's identity with the record's Myles (the 1865 groom) is 80. · 1872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork
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Appears with
- Patrick "Pat" J. Murphy (Cork-born bartender / shoemaker; d. 1912 Warm Springs MT)8 shared sources
- 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown
- 1967 — Murphy family papers
- ~2026-05 — Family research deck — Luke Murphy (user) self-prepared PowerPoint
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara" (volume number not specified on this excerpt; page numbered "—29—")
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume II
- 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers
- 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers
- 2026-09-04 — Email correspondence between Luke Murphy and the Eyeries parish office, Diocese of Kerry, 14 Aug to 4 Sept 2026
- Ellen (Lyne) Murphy (b. Ardgroom; m. Patrick Murphy 1881; d. Butte 1935)8 shared sources
- 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown
- 1967 — Murphy family papers
- ~2026-05 — Family research deck — Luke Murphy (user) self-prepared PowerPoint
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara" (volume number not specified on this excerpt; page numbered "—29—")
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume II
- 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers
- 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers
- 2026-09-04 — Email correspondence between Luke Murphy and the Eyeries parish office, Diocese of Kerry, 14 Aug to 4 Sept 2026
- Margaret (Shea) Sullivan Lyne (JJM's maternal grandmother)6 shared sources
- 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown
- ~2026-05 — Family research deck — Luke Murphy (user) self-prepared PowerPoint
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara" (volume number not specified on this excerpt; page numbered "—29—")
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume II
- 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers
- 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers
- James Joseph "James J." Murphy (b. 1883 Ardgroom; d. 1938 LA)5 shared sources
- 1967 — Murphy family papers
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara" (volume number not specified on this excerpt; page numbered "—29—")
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume II
- 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papers
- 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papers
- Agnes Kelly Murphy4 shared sources
- John Sullivan (Margaret Shea's first husband, m. 1855 Eyeries; probably Ellen's father)3 shared sources
- Seamus Mór (Big James) Murphy — PJM's father, of Ballycrovane Beara2 shared sources
- Mary (Chatham) Kelly2 shared sources
- John /Kelly/2 shared sources
- John A. /Chatham/2 shared sources
- Catherine /Ryan/2 shared sources
- James J. Murphy Jr. (b. 20 Mar 1914 Butte MT; d. 1972; user's paternal grandfather)2 shared sources
- Daniel ("Dan") Murphy2 shared sources
- Luke D. Murphy2 shared sources
- Mary O'Leary (named as Patrick's mother in the Annals and the family tree; flagged as probably an error)2 shared sources
- …and 23 more people with shared sources.
Sources linking to this person
≥75 — High confidence — 10
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara" (volume number not specified on this excerpt; page numbered "—29—")Annals of Beara p.29 (volume TBD): PATRICK MURPHY & ELLEN LYNE entry — duplicate framing of the Vol II p.271 content but with the addition 'had a son James who went to Butte, Montana, married and had a son a priest'role: bride_father · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 95
Identity: 'Ellen Lyne was daughter of Myles Lyne and Margaret O'Shea'.
- undated — Riobárd Ó Dwyer, "Who Were My Ancestors? Annals of Beara," Volume IIAnnals of Beara Vol II, p.271: PATRICK MURPHY & ELLEN LYNE (ARDGROOM VILLAGE) entry — Pat as son of James Murphy + Mary O'Leary of Eyeries Village (cliamhain isteach)role: bride_father · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: The same, p. 271.
- 1865-06-09 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of CastletownMarriage of Myles Lyne (widower) and Margaret Shea alias Sullivan (widow) of Ardgroom, 9 June 1865role: groom · identity 100 family confidence on this source: 100 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: The groom.
- 1872-05-10 — Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. CorkMyles Lyne (Sr.) civil death cert — d. 10 May 1872 Ardgroom, age 81, farmer (= 1839 Kenmare registry-notice Myles?)role: decedent · identity 80 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: The 1872 decedent, one man with the 1865 groom by Luke's decision; analyst 80.
- 1881-02-13 — Marriage Returns, Superintendent Registrar's District of CastletownMarriage of Patrick Murphy and Ellen Lyne, 13 Feb 1881, Ardgroomrole: father_of_bride · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 100 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: 'Myles Lyne, Farmer', father of the bride.
- 1967 — Murphy family papersMurphy Family Tree, 1967: 'Patrick Murphy, Balykrewan, County Cork, Ireland'; Ellen Lyne (1859-1935)role: ancestor_on_chart · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: Shown as Ellen Lyne's father.
- 1967-04-09 — Murphy family papersTerese Murphy to Dan, 9 April 1967: 'Dad was born in Balykrewan ... about the year 1854'; her mother's two fathersrole: mentioned · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: Named as Ellen's father and her grandmother's second husband.
- 1971-09-20 — Murphy family papersTerese Murphy to Imelda, 20 Sept 1971: her father's sister married 'Tailor Sullivan'; his father 'left for America some months before he was born'role: mentioned · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: My grandfather Lynne
Identity: The second husband of the writer's grandmother, a widower in his sixties with sons.
- ~2026-05 — Family research deck — Luke Murphy (user) self-prepared PowerPointLuke Murphy's Murphy Family Research deck — Ancestry-tree summary cards for great-great-grandparents back through 3rd-great-grandparent generationrole: third_great_grandfather · identity 95 family confidence on this source: 100 · as printed: Myles "Mark" Lyne
Identity: Luke's card 'Myles "Mark" Lyne' (the card's 'JUN 1872' death month differs from the return's 10 May).
- 2026-09-04 — Email correspondence between Luke Murphy and the Eyeries parish office, Diocese of Kerry, 14 Aug to 4 Sept 2026Eyeries parish office, 4 Sept 2026: the 1881 parish marriage entry names the fathers only, 'James Harrington and Myles Lyne'role: father_of_bride_as_reported · identity 100 family confidence on this source: 95 · as printed: Myles Lyne
Identity: Named as the bride's father, as in the civil return.
25–74 — Candidates — 1
- 1839-06-19 — Kerry Evening Post — newspaper court / land registry noticesKerry Evening Post 1839 — Kenmare registry notices 35-36: Myles Lyne of Letterfinneen, Farmer, Leaseholder, £20role: registry_claimant_leaseholder · identity 25 family confidence on this source: 25 · as printed: Lyne Myles
Identity: Lyne Myles of Letterfinneen, Farmer, Leaseholder, Kenmare notices 35 and 36 (read 4 Oct 2026).