Myles Lyne (Sr.) civil death cert — d. 10 May 1872 Ardgroom, age 81, farmer (= 1839 Kenmare registry-notice Myles?)

Ireland Civil Registry of Deaths — District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork · Co. Cork, Ireland (Kilcatherine RD / Castletown SRD) · 1872-05-10

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Irish Civil Registry of Deaths certified true copy of Entry No. 400 from the 1872 Kilcatherine District Register, recording the death of **Myles Lyne**. **DEATH DETAILS** (verbatim from the entry): - Date and Place of Death: **Tenth May 1872, Argroom** - Name and Surname: **Myles Lyne** - Sex: Male - Condition: **Married** - Age last Birthday: **81** (= born ~1791) - Rank, Profession, or Occupation: **Farmer** - Certified Cause of Death and Duration of Illness: **Old Age. No. Med. Att.** - Informant: **Ellen Lyne, Present at Death, Argroom** - When Registered: **Seventeenth May 1872** - Registrar: **C[harles] Lewis** (per the certification block) **GENERATIONAL PLACEMENT**: This Myles Lyne (b. ~1791, d. 1872 age 81) is from the **earliest documented Lyne generation** in the archive. He is the **most plausible** father of: - **Myles Lyne Jr.** (m. Margaret Shea 1865 Kilcatherine, JJM's maternal grandfather) Naming pattern: Myles Lyne Sr. (1791) → Myles Lyne Jr. (m. 1865) → Ellen Lyne (m. 1881 = JJM's mother). The Myles-Lyne naming recursion of giving a son your own first name is standard Beara-peninsula practice. **PROBABLE = 1839 KENMARE REGISTRY-NOTICE MYLES LYNE**: Myles Lyne Sr. (b. ~1791) would have been **48 years old in 1839** — exactly the right age to be the leaseholder named in the Kenmare registry notices (Nos. 35 and 36) printed 19 June 1839 in the Kerry Evening Post. Same generation, plausibly same person. (The Kenmare notices give his residence as Letterfinneen, parish of Kilmackalogue, on the Kerry side of the Beara peninsula; Lyne is a Beara surname; the leaseholder status is consistent with a 48-year-old established farmer who later died age 81 at Ardgroom still classed as "Farmer.") This would join the 1839 leaseholder (the property_record open question) to this record's subject, person_myles_lyne_ardgroom (the "Sr." record was merged into it 2026-10-03). Held at fc 75 pending Annals of Beara Lyne-line corroboration. **ELLEN LYNE THE INFORMANT** could be: (a) **Wife of Myles Sr.** (then JJM's great-grandmother) — if so she'd be ~70+ in 1872 (b) **Daughter of Myles Sr.** (then JJM's aunt) — sibling of Myles Jr. or his cousin (c) **Granddaughter** — i.e., the 12-year-old Ellen Lyne who would in 9 years marry Patrick Murphy (= JJM's mother, b. ~1860). A 12-year-old as informant on her grandfather's death cert is unusual but possible if she was the only literate or named adult present. (d) **Daughter-in-law** = Margaret Shea Lyne (Myles Jr's wife, m. 1865) — but she'd be Margaret, not Ellen. Most plausibly (a) — the wife. The informant convention preferred the surviving spouse when available. **CORROBORATIVE PAGE CONTEXT**: Same page (entries 391-400, deaths registered Apr-May 1872 Kilcatherine RD) records ten deaths in Kilcatherine parish including: - **No. 396 Ellen Murphy** (Female Spinster, daughter of a farmer, age Ten months, d. 23 April 1872 Ballydonegan, pertussis 3 weeks). Could be a peripheral Murphy of the Beara cluster but probably not directly family. - **No. 394 Mary Murphy** (Female Widow of a Miner, age 70, d. 24 April 1872 Ballinacarriga, chronic rheumatism 17 years). Age 70 in 1872 → b. ~1802. Could be a Murphy of PJM-the-bartender's parental generation (PJM's parents both died Ireland per his 1908 asylum clinical notes; mother's name unknown). Held at very-low confidence.

Parties named in the record

decedent
Myles Lyne(= Myles Lyne (c. 1791–1872; Ardgroom farmer; second husband of Margaret Shea; Ellen Lyne Murphy's stepfather, named as her father in 1881))95
age: 81 · status: Married · occupation: Farmer · died at: Argroom
informant
Ellen Lyne(= Ellen Lyne (informant at Myles Lyne's death, Ardgroom 1872))50

People — link detail

Myles Lyne (c. 1791–1872; Ardgroom farmer; second husband of Margaret Shea; Ellen Lyne Murphy's stepfather, named as her father in 1881)(as printed: Myles Lyne)
role: decedent · family confidence: 95 certain
age: 81 · born: ~1791 · died at: Argroom · status: Married · occupation: Farmer
The Myles Lyne who married Margaret Shea in 1865, Ellen's stepfather: one man with the 1872 decedent by the user's decision of 2026-10-03 ("yes same myles"). Why: Terese Murphy says he was an old widower when he married and "died in his seventies before my mother's teens"; this return has him married, a farmer, at Ardgroom; the 1865 return names his father as Jeremiah, so there is no Myles father and Myles son; and the family tree has one Myles (Mark) Lyne, b. about 1791, d. 10 May 1872. Against: 81 here is about ten years more than Terese's account, and the 1881 marriage return does not mark him "(dead)". Claude's own estimate about 75. The earlier note read him as "Myles Sr.", father of a "Myles Jr.".
Ellen Lyne (informant at Myles Lyne's death, Ardgroom 1872)(as printed: Ellen Lyne)
role: informant · family confidence: 50 candidate
"Present at Death, Ardgroom." Most plausibly Myles Sr.'s WIFE (= JJM's great-grandmother). Could alternatively be his daughter (= sibling of Myles Jr.). NOT same person as Ellen Lyne (JJM's mother, b. ~1860, m. Patrick Murphy 1881) — JJM's mother would have been only 12 in 1872 and named more likely as "Ellen the granddaughter" if she were the informant. Hold pending Annals of Beara corroboration of the Lyne Sr. generation's spouse name. [2026-10-03: with Myles Lyne now recorded as Margaret Shea's husband, this informant was not his wife. She may be his stepdaughter Ellen, then about 8 to 13, or another Ellen Lyne of his first family. Not settled.]

Also mentioned

Charles Lewis · registrar_kilcatherine_1872
Registrar of Births and Deaths for the District of Kilcatherine, signed all ten entries on the certified true-copy page.
T. R. Harrington · superintendent_registrar_castletown_1872
John Murley · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 391: Male Bachelor 26 yrs, Labourer, d. 19 Apr 1872 Killaugh, phthisis 9 months. Surname Murley (variant of Murphy / Morley?) — not attributed.
Catherine Sullivan · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 392: Female Widow 65, widow of a Miner, d. 17 Apr 1872 Kilkinchan, bronchitis 4 years.
Michael Leary · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 393: Male Bachelor 6 mo, son of a Farmer, d. 29 Apr 1872 Dursey Island, pertussis 2 weeks.
Mary Murphy · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 394: Female Widow 70, widow of a Miner, d. 24 Apr 1872 Ballinacarriga, chronic rheumatism 17 yrs. Possible PJM-parental-generation Murphy candidate — held at very low confidence; mother's name in PJM's 1908 asylum clinical notes is unknown.
Timothy Sullivan · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 395: Male Married 35, Shop Keeper, d. 26 Apr 1872 Cluin, phthisis 6 months + diarrhea 2 weeks (certified).
Ellen Murphy (decedent) · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 396: Female Spinster, age Ten months, daughter of a Farmer, d. 23 Apr 1872 Ballydonegan, pertussis 3 weeks. Probably not family but Murphy of the Beara cluster.
Mary Lowney · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 397: Female Spinster 2 years, daughter of a Miner, d. 6 May 1872 Cluin, bronchitis 8 weeks.
Jeoffery Connell · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 348/398: Male Bachelor 23, School Teacher, d. 30 Apr 1872 Knockroe, phthisis 6 months. Notable as a young West Cork school teacher of the era.
John Lowney · peripheral_same_page_death
No. 399: Male Widower 90, Farmer, d. 4 Apr 1872 Clogheen, old age.

Places

Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel) (primary)
Kilcatherine (parish) (primary)
Castletownbere, County Cork (primary)
County Cork (primary)
Ireland (primary)

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--- newspaper: Irish civil death register, certified true copy of entries Nos. 391 to 400, Registrar's District of Kilcatherine, Union of Castletown, Co. Cork, 1872 (not a newspaper) date: 1872-05-10 (entry 400, the target; the ten entries are dated 4 April to 10 May 1872 and were registered 8 to 17 May 1872; the copy is certified 25 June 1872 and 31 July 1872) page: stamped 41 (the "Page" line is left blank); reference 07273154 (printed at the top); one sheet carrying entries Nos. 391 to 400 transcribed_by: claude-sonnet-5-5 (Claude Code subagent), 2026-10-04 method: PDF rasterised at 300 dpi (one bilevel 300 ppi scan, 4797 x 6558 px). The page was read at 0.46x for layout, then each of the ten entries was cut into three column groups at 1.2x to 1.8x (LANCZOS) and read cell by cell; the target entry's cells, the numbers, the place words and the marginal note were re-cut at 4x to 6x, and the head and the certificate block at 0.8x to 5x. All ten entries and the certificate are in one clear, upright copperplate hand (the registrar's own). Line breaks inside a cell are shown as " / "; a cross for a mark is shown as [X] with the words "her" or "his" and "mark" as the register sets them. proofed_by: claude-opus-5-5, 2026-10-04 --- # Deaths registered in the District of Kilcatherine, 1872: entries 391 to 400 **Page** [blank] . **07273154** [printed] **41** [stamped] **Superintendent Registrar's District** Castletown **Registrar's District** Kilcatherine **1872. DEATHS Registered in the District of** Kilcatherine **in the Union of** Castletown **in the Count**[y, handwritten] **of** Cork. ## Printed column headings 1. **No.** 2. **Date and Place of Death.** 3. **Name and Surname.** 4. **Sex.** 5. **Condition.** 6. **Age last Birthday.** 7. **Rank, Profession, or Occupation.** 8. **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness.** 9. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant.** 10. **When Registered.** 11. **Signature of Registrar.** ## Entry 391 **No.** 391 **Date and Place of Death** Nineteenth / April / 1872 / Killaugh **Name and Surname** John / Murley **Sex** Male **Condition** Bachelor **Age last Birthday** 26 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Labourer **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Phthisis / 9 Months / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Johanna her [X] mark Murley / Present at Death / Killaugh **When Registered** Eighth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 392 **No.** 392 **Date and Place of Death** Seventeenth / April / 1872 / Kilkinehan **Name and Surname** Catherine / Sullivan **Sex** Female **Condition** Widow **Age last Birthday** 65 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Widow of a / Miner **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Bronchitis / 4 Years / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Jeremiah his [X] mark Sullivan / Present at Death / Kilkinehan **When Registered** Eighth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 393 **No.** 393 **Date and Place of Death** Twenty ninth / April / 1872 / Dursey Island **Name and Surname** Michael / Leary **Sex** Male **Condition** Bachelor **Age last Birthday** Six / months **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Son of a / Farmer **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Pertussis / 2 Weeks / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Timothy his [X] mark Leary / Present at Death / Dursey Island **When Registered** Eighth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 394 **No.** 394 **Date and Place of Death** Twenty fourth / April / 1872 / Ballinacarriga **Name and Surname** Mary / Murphy **Sex** Female **Condition** Widow **Age last Birthday** 70 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Widow of a / Miner **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Chronic / Rheumatism / 17 years. / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Mary her [X] mark Regan / Present at Death / Ballinacarriga **When Registered** Eighth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 395 **No.** 395 **Date and Place of Death** Twenty sixth / April / 1872 / Cluin **Name and Surname** Timothy / Sullivan **Sex** Male **Condition** Married **Age last Birthday** 35 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Shop / Keeper **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Phthisis / 6 Months / Diarrhœa. 2 Weeks / certified **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Bridget Harrington / Present at Death / Kilkinehan **When Registered** Eighth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 396 **No.** 396 **Date and Place of Death** Twenty third / April / 1872 / Ballydonegan **Name and Surname** Ellen / Murphy **Sex** Female **Condition** Spinster **Age last Birthday** Ten / months **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Daughter of a / Farmer **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Pertussis / 3 Weeks / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Ellen her [X] mark Murphy / Present at Death / Ballydonegan **When Registered** Fifteenth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 397 **No.** 397 **Date and Place of Death** Sixth / May / 1872 / Cluin **Name and Surname** Mary / Lowney **Sex** Female **Condition** Spinster **Age last Birthday** 2 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Daughter of a / Miner **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Bronchitis / 8 Weeks / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Catherine her [X] mark Leary / Present at Death / Cluin **When Registered** Fifteenth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry [348, as written] **No.** 348 **Date and Place of Death** Thirtieth / April / 1872. / ~~Allihies~~ (18) / Knockroe **Name and Surname** Jeoffery / Connell **Sex** Male **Condition** Bachelor **Age last Birthday** 23 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** School / Teacher **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Phthisis / Six Months / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Honora Harrington / Present at Death / Knockroe **When Registered** Fifteenth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar *Note in the right margin beside this entry:* Eighteen / C L. ## Entry 399 **No.** 399 **Date and Place of Death** Fourth / April / 1872 / Clogheen **Name and Surname** John / Lowney **Sex** Male **Condition** Widower **Age last Birthday** 90 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Farmer **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Old Age / No. Med. Att **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Mary her [X] mark Lowney / Present at Death / Clogheen **When Registered** Fifteenth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Entry 400 **No.** 400 **Date and Place of Death** Tenth / May / 1872 / Argroom **Name and Surname** Myles / Lyne **Sex** Male **Condition** Married **Age last Birthday** 81 / years **Rank, Profession, or Occupation** Farmer **Certified Cause of Death, and Duration of Illness** Old Age / No. Med. Att. **Signature, Qualification, and Residence of Informant** Ellen Lyne / Present at Death / Argroom **When Registered** Seventeenth / May / 1872 **Signature of Registrar** C Lewis / Registrar ## Certificate (printed form completed in handwriting) I Charles Lewis Registrar of Births and Deaths in the District of Kilcatherine in the Union of Castletown in the Count[y, handwritten] of Cork do hereby certify, that this is a true Copy of the Registrar's Book of Deaths within the said District, from the Entry of the Death of John Murley No. 391 to the Entry of the Death of Myles Lyne No. 400 Witness my hand, this 25th day of June 1872. C Lewis Registrar. I have examined the above, and have compared it with the said original Registrar's Book, and hereby certify that it is a true Copy. Witness my hand, this 31st day of July 1872. T. R. Harrington Superintendent Registrar.

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Open questions

Is Myles Lyne Sr. (d. 1872 age 81) = the 1839 Kenmare registry-notice Myles Lyne of Letterfinneen? Strong circumstantial fit (right age, right region, same Lyne family). Annals of Beara Lyne-line research should resolve.
Is Myles Sr. the father of Myles Jr. (m. Margaret Shea 1865)? Most plausible relationship but unconfirmed.
Identity of informant Ellen Lyne — wife of Myles Sr., daughter, or granddaughter? Wife is most plausible.
Same-page Mary Murphy (widow of a miner, age 70, d. 1872 Ballinacarriga) — any chance she was PJM-the-bartender's mother? PJM was b. ~1856; his mother dying in 1872 when he was 16 would fit emigration-young pattern. Held at low confidence; needs cross-check against any Beara Murphy parish baptism for a Pat Murphy ~1856 with mother named Mary.