JJM Sr's civil birth cert — born 2 Aug 1883 Ardgroom; father Patrick Murphy SHOEMAKER; mother Ellen Murphy formerly Lyne

Republic of Ireland Civil Registration — Birth Register · Birth Registered in the district of Kilcatherine, Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown, Co. Cork · 1883-08-02

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Summary

Republic of Ireland Civil Registration Birth Certificate (reproduction issued 8 November 2013 by Helen Foley, Authorised Officer) transcribing the original 1883 register entry. Entry No. **168**, registered 10 August 1883 in the Superintendent Registrar's District of Castletown, Co. Cork, birth-registration district of Kilcatherine. Registration No. **11054628**. - **Date of Birth: 2 August 1883** - Place of Birth: **Ardgroom** - Name: **James** - Sex: Male - Father: **Patrick Murphy, Shoemaker, of Ardgroom** - Mother: **Ellen Murphy formerly Lyne** (Ardgroom) - Informant: **Dora Neill**, "Present at the Birth, Ardgroom" - When Registered: 10 August 1883 - Registrar: **Charles Harrison** (same registrar as the 1881 Patrick Murphy + Ellen Lyne marriage cert — continuing civil-registry service in Kilcatherine district) **CRITICAL DATE DISCREPANCY**: The 1971 baptismal-cert reproduction (already filed at 1883-07-26_eyeries-co-cork_james-joseph-murphy-baptism) states born **26 July 1883**, baptized **29 July 1883**. This civil cert states born **2 August 1883**. Both are primary-source transcripts of contemporaneous 1883 records (the parish baptismal register + the state birth register respectively). Reconciliation: baptism on 29 July 1883 BEFORE birth on 2 August 1883 is physically impossible. So either (a) the baptismal-cert's "26 July" was a 1971-era transcription error from the parish register, or (b) the civil cert's "2 August" was a registrar error. Most likely (a) — civil registration was filed 8 days after birth (10 Aug regs from 2 Aug birth) with Dora Neill, present at the birth, as informant, while the 1971 baptismal cert was a retrospective extract by a different cleric 88 years after the event. The CIVIL CERT IS LIKELY AUTHORITATIVE; the baptism cert's dates need re-verification against the original parish register. **Patrick's occupation = SHOEMAKER** (specific trade) — the 1881 marriage cert had recorded him as "Tradesman" (generic). Shoemaker is the specific kind of tradesman he was. **Ellen "formerly Lyne"** — the FOURTH primary-source confirmation of Ellen's maiden name as Lyne (after the 1881 marriage cert, the 1883 baptismal cert, the 1936 Daniel L Murphy marriage license). **Dora Neill** "Present at the Birth" — likely the midwife who attended Ellen's delivery. NEW name to the archive.

In its time

Parties named in the record

registered child
James(= James Joseph "James J." Murphy (b. 1883 Ardgroom; d. 1938 LA))100
born: 1883-08-02
father
Patrick Murphy(= Patrick "Pat" J. Murphy (Cork-born bartender / shoemaker; d. 1912 Warm Springs MT))100
occupation: Shoe-maker · residence: Ardgroom
mother
Ellen Murphy formerly Lyne(= Ellen (Lyne) Murphy (b. Ardgroom; m. Patrick Murphy 1881; d. Butte 1935))100
residence: Ardgroom

People — link detail

James Joseph "James J." Murphy (b. 1883 Ardgroom; d. 1938 LA)(as printed: James)
role: registered child · family confidence: 100 certain
born: 1883-08-02
The user's JJM. Birth date 2 August 1883 per the civil register; baptism cert states 26 July 1883 — the discrepancy noted in summary. Civil cert is more authoritative; the JJM person record's birth date should be updated to 1883-08-02 and the 1883-07-26 reading flagged as a baptism- cert transcription error.
Patrick "Pat" J. Murphy (Cork-born bartender / shoemaker; d. 1912 Warm Springs MT)(as printed: Patrick Murphy)
role: father · family confidence: 100 certain
occupation: Shoe-maker · residence: Ardgroom
OCCUPATION = SHOEMAKER per this 1883 birth cert (specific trade). The 1881 Pat-Ellen marriage cert had recorded "Tradesman" (generic). Shoemaker fits — a leather-trade Eyeries-area artisan. Trade context for the Murphy pre-emigration life and for the later JJM Sr clothing- sales career (Murphy men were leather-and-cloth tradesmen).
Ellen (Lyne) Murphy (b. Ardgroom; m. Patrick Murphy 1881; d. Butte 1935)(as printed: Ellen Murphy formerly Lyne)
role: mother · family confidence: 100 certain
residence: Ardgroom
4th primary-source confirmation of maiden name Lyne.

Also mentioned

Dora Neill · informant_present_at_birth
Informant; qualification written Present at the Birth, residence Ardgroom. Possibly the attending midwife, an inference the register does not state.
Charles Harrison · registrar
Same Charles Harrison who registered the 1881 Patrick Murphy + Ellen Lyne marriage. Continuing Kilcatherine-district service.
Helen Foley · cert_reissue_officer_2013
Modern Authorised Officer who reissued the cert reproduction 8 Nov 2013.

Places

Ardgroom (village + RC Chapel) (primary)
Kilcatherine Registrar's District (primary)
Castletownbere, County Cork (primary)
County Cork (primary)
Ireland (primary)

Themes

Irish American community

Story threads

The Pat-and-Ellen Murphy household — Butte 1887 to LA 1980

Related sources

Transcription

transcription: complete · confidence high

--- newspaper: Irish civil birth certificate (not a newspaper): "Deimhniú Breithe / Birth Certificate", Éire / Ireland, issued under the Civil Registration Act 2004, certifying one register entry (Kilcatherine district, Castletown Superintendent Registrar's District, Co. Cork) date: 1883-08-02 (date of birth as written; the last digit of the year is faint and is read as 3 by its match with the 3 of the registered year; entry registered 1883-08-10; certificate issued 2013-11-08) page: single certified entry, entry No. 168, Registration Number 11054628; the entries above and below it in the register are not shown on the certificate transcribed_by: claude-sonnet-5-5 (Claude Code subagent), 2026-10-04 proofed_by: claude-opus-5-5, 2026-10-04 method: source.jpg (1118x824, colour) is a photograph of the paper certificate lying on a wooden surface, with a wave-pattern security background behind the print. The printed text and each cell of the register entry were cut at original resolution and upscaled 4x to 12x with LANCZOS (cells at 12x, headings at 5x); the entry number, the registration number and the two year strings were read at 20x to 30x and at pixel level, the last digit of the birth year being compared with the 3 in the registered year. The register row is in ink handwriting except "Registrar.", which is printed. Line breaks inside cells are shown as " / " and follow the handwriting. The accents on the small Irish print of the certification sentence are blurred in the photograph. --- # Deimhniú Breithe / Birth Certificate [harp emblem] *Arna eisiúint de bhun an Achta um Chlárú Sibhialta 2004* / *Issued in pursuance of the Civil Registration Act 2004* **Éire** / **Ireland** **Cláruimhir / Registration Number** } 11054628 **i limistéar an Phriomh-Chláraitheora / in the Superintendent Registrar's District of** } Castletown **Breith a Chláraíodh i gCeantar / Birth Registered in the district of** } Kilcatherine **i gContae / in the County of** } Co. Cork ## The register entry **Printed column headings (Irish, then English):** 1. **Uimh.** / **No.** 2. **Dáta Breithe** / **Date of Birth** (upper half of the cell); **Ionad Breithe** / **Place of Birth** (lower half) 3. **Ainm** / **Name** 4. **Gnéas** / **Sex** 5. **Ainm, Sloinne agus Ionad Chónaithe an Athar** / **Name and Surname and Dwelling-Place of Father** 6. **Ainm agus Sloinne na Máthar agus a sloinne roimh phósadh di** / **Name and Surname and Maiden name of Mother** 7. **Céim nó Gairm Bheatha an Athar** / **Rank or Profession of Father** 8. **Sinú, Cáilíocht agus Ionad Chónaithe an Fhaisnéiseora** / **Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant** 9. **An Dáta a Chláraíodh** / **When Registered** 10. **Sinú an Chláraitheora** / **Signature of Registrar** 11. **Ainm Baiste má tugadh é tar-éis chlárú na Breithe agus an Dáta** / **Baptismal Name if added after Registration of Birth and Date** **The entry:** 1. **No.:** 168 2. **Date of Birth:** 1883 / August / Second **Place of Birth:** Ardgroom 3. **Name:** James 4. **Sex:** M. 5. **Name and Surname and Dwelling-Place of Father:** Patrick / Murphy / [blank] / Ardgroom 6. **Name and Surname and Maiden name of Mother:** Ellen / Murphy / *formerly* / Lyne 7. **Rank or Profession of Father:** Shoe-maker 8. **Signature, Qualification and Residence of Informant:** Dora / Neill / Present at the Birth / Ardgroom 9. **When Registered:** August / Tenth / 1883 10. **Signature of Registrar:** Charles / Harrison / **Registrar.** 11. **Baptismal Name if added after Registration of Birth and Date:** [blank] ## Certification *Deimhn[í?]tear gur [thiomsíodh?] na sonraí seo ó chlárleabhar coinnithe faoi alt 13 den Acht um Chlárú Sibhialta 2004*/*Certified to be compiled from a register maintained under section 13 of the Civil Registration Act 2004* *Eisithe ag* / *Issued by* **Helen Foley, Authorised Officer** *Dáta* / *Date Of Issue* **8 November 2013** **Is cion tromchúiseach é an deimhniú seo a athrú nó é a úsáid agus é athraithe / To alter this certificate or to use it as altered is a serious offence**

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Open questions

Birth-date discrepancy (2 Aug civil vs 26 July baptism) needs resolution by re-checking the original Eyeries parish baptismal register. If the parish register actually says 2 August (with the 1971 cert being a transcription error), the discrepancy resolves; if the parish register itself says 26 July, then the discrepancy is original (parish vs state) and the civil cert should be treated as more authoritative.
The 1971 baptismal cert + the 2013 birth cert + the GEDCOM + the 1900 census + the 1918 WW1 draft + the 1958 JJM Jr resume — each of these has either 26 July or no date. Worth a back-pass to align all the date-attribution notes once the parish-register original is re-checked.